2/25/2009

Lost Update - Suicide Is Painless


Lost Update - Season V - 02/25/2009

Through early morning fog I see,
Visions of the things to be.
The pains that are withheld for me,
I realize and I can see.
That suicide is painless,
It brings on many changes.
And I can take or leave it if I please.


OK, which one is Radar O'Reiley? You know, from Mash, the TV show about the war in Korea. What, you didn't know that this song was the theme song for MASH? Well, now you know.

We begin tonight dissecting the title of this update and it's lyrics, Suicide Is Painless, because it is very critical to the outcome of Lost. Let us recap what we know up until this episode shall we. John Locke was told by Richard that he must not only leave the island to save the people, but that he also must die. Ben shows Locke the way off the island and the way through time. Later it's revealed that Locke is the one dead in the casket. A suicide note given to Jack seals the deal confirming Locke is dead.

Ok, to the lyrics. First two lines:
Through early morning fog I see,
Visions of the things to be.


John has been flashing back and forth in time and gathering information and realizing what he needs to do. His visions of the things to be.

Third and fourth lines:
The pains that are withheld for me,
I realize and I can see.

Johns pains withheld, well, he can walk, he is healed on the island, and it's for a reason. Locke realizes that he is special, and has a purpose.

Fifth and sixth lines:
That suicide is painless,
It brings on many changes.

Suicide is painless. Locke knows by dying he saves the people, the island, and himself. He also understands that in doing so, it will bring on many changes to the people and island of Lost.

Last line:
And I can take or leave it if I please.
Locke has a choice. He can accept his path and go through with his plan, or choose a different course of action. He can take it or leave it.

Now do you all see why my Lost theory is so appealing. It all makes sense. Really it does! Just what is the Grassy Knoll Institutes Lost theory….I hear the choppers coming so here it is real quick like...

Although it appears the survivors of Oceanic flight 815 are on a tropical island, they are being deceived. There is no island. The survivors are in a virtual reality laboratory. All the castaways are interconnected to one another sharing each others thoughts, memories, and feelings. While in this virtual reality laboratory, a battery of physical and mental experiments are performed on them. And who is running these experiments? As Juliet told Sawyer while walking through the jungle, "The Aliens of course."

Think back to the Lost pilot way back in 2004. Remember Locke, after everything settled down. He was by himself, looking out at the ocean, satisfied, calm, at home. Fast forward to season five, this episode, Locke is back where he started. By himself, gazing out a the ocean. He came home.

Yes, yes, Locke came back from the dead and traveled back to the island. Or, he is still dead, but just in the past, or the future. Because Ben told him to leave the island and bring back the Oceanic Six to save the people and island. He turns a wheel, and Ohh snap, he is back on the mainland.

Stop right there! This has gone on far enough. Tonight's episode was all about time travel. And yes, just as almost entire season five has been.

Adding to the above time travel theory, Widmore discusses with Locke that the last time he saw him, it was decades ago, but Locke hasn't aged one bit. But to Locke, it was only a few days ago. Widmore was 17 when he first met Locke. Now he is in his late 60's.

Or when Ben, a much younger looking Ben is seen in the background spying on Locke as he is being driven around town. It appears that either Ben is addicted to time travel, or there are a dozen Ben's running around, all at a different age.

Or when Locke goes to Helen Norwoods grave site. The tombstone said she died in the year 2006. If Locke's plane crashed in September of 2004, and he was on the island for 108 days, then he was in the future when he visited the grave of Helen. Are you seeing my point here?

Look at previous weeks. The island flashes and the castaways blink in and out of time arriving years in the past, and years into the future. In a matter of minutes. But not everyone follows. Some like Jin travel at different speeds, and takes a while to catch up to the rest.

The writers of Lost are leading the viewers down the proverbial rabbit hole. But we aren't going to find Alice. (Don't even think about asking her, she doesn't really know even if the song says she does) Or Wonderland, that improbable reality inhabited by outlandish people. Instead, we will find a dead end with no answers from the writing staff. Just more questions. Why, because it's subterfuge. The writers are hiding the real story line. The real plot line. My story line. My plot line.

Damn, I'm arrogant. And perhaps a fool. At least I know it. Seriously, remember when the writers said at the get go that Lost will be explained in a way that is physically real. Something that isn't impossible. Something that you can see, feel, grasp a hold of, understand. They are leading you to a conclusion that time travel is the Lost Secret, and that Ben, Richard, Desmond, Widmore, or Faraday, or all of the castaways, are manipulating time like changing the channel on a television set.

BTW, want to know what all those math equations on the chalk boards you see on Lost. It's Einstein's Special Theory Of Relativity. Everyone knows Einstein's theory of special relativity concerning time travel. If you don't, here is the link. I suggest you read it now before you go any further. Einsteins Special Theory Of Relativity

Notice that certain castaways experience Time Dilation. Richard Alpert for one. John Locke another. (You did follow the link and read about the relativity theory didn't you?)

Some also experience Relativity of simultaneity. This explains all the time shifting of the island, and the castaways experiencing multiple events happening at the same time.

Don't forget about Composition of velocities. Remember Faraday conducting his rocket experiment last season. It took like 38 minutes to reach the island when it should have only taken a minute.

But I have a problem with this Lost theory. I point to the Grandfather Paradox in time travel. Meaning, say you did have a time machine that really worked. And you went back to the past. And you murdered your grandfather. In doing so, that means you were never born. So, how could you go back in a time machine and murder your grandfather if you were never born? Exactly!!!

So, if Ben went back in time and murdered people, altering the past, then he also alters the future (And we know he has done this) and opens a paradox.

Or, we can believe in the virtual reality theory. Imagine the freedom you could possess in virtual reality. How many countless lives you could have. Countless scenario's. And you play every single scenario out. When the end game arrives, (You die, win, lose) you merely reset and start fresh from the beginning. Remember, in my virtual reality theory, each castaway is connected to one another yet can be miles away, or years in the past, or future, from one another.

This is a more plausible theory than the messy paradox time travel. I am just waiting for Doc Brown to come crashing through the jungle in his Delorean yelling that he has to get back to the future. Remember his explanation on the chalk board to Marty, about the split time continuum, and that he and Marty are now living in a parallel universe and that they must go back to the past to fix the future? Doc's dog was Einstein BTW.

Tidbits from tonight's episode:
* Ben always lies. He is not there to help and protect the castaways.

* Locke is back on the mainland. And he is not crippled. Apparently the island's healing powers have a far reach.

* Widmore told Ben he was exiled, expelled by "Him!" Sort of has that Lucifer feel when he was expelled from heaven by God. '

* The others are Widmore's people.

* Staying on the Lucifer topic. Ben is seen in that light as of lately. The religion play is picking up on Lost.

below is the rest of the lyrics to Suicide Is Painless. The lyrics really stick to what is happening on Lost this season, especially Locke.

I try to find a way to make,
All our little joys relate.
Without that ever-present hate,
But now I know that it's too late, and...


The game of life is hard to play,
I'm gonna lose it anyway.
The losing card I'll someday lay,
So this is all I have to say.


The only way to win is cheat,
And lay it down before I'm beat.
And to another give my seat,
For that's the only painless feat.


The sword of time will pierce our skins,
It doesn't hurt when it begins.
But as it works its way on in,
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...


A brave man once requested me,
To answer questions that are key.
Is it to be or not to be,
And I replied oh why ask me?


Cause suicide is painless,
It brings on many changes,
And I can take or leave it if I please.


And you can do the same thing if you please.

Until Next week, Get Lost!




LURKING ON THE GRASSY KNOLL

27 comments:

  1. i think ben was protecting them from any harm because he needed them to get back to the island. it was all for his best intrest of course and will only help someone if he will help himsef by doing so. he knew the only chance to get back on the island was to be on that plane with jack, kate, ETC. I do think he knew Locke was gonna come back to life, because he knows people can resirect on the island IE the eye pathch guy nical a think his name is. I think Charles Widmore is just another Ben type who will do whatever it takes to get to that island no matter who he minipulates, kills or how much money it will take. Im starting to believe it is aliens behind the virtual reality lab and your theory is 100percent correct for the most part. the plane did crash but it did have a bright light and strang noise and people dissapeared when the light passed. i was wrong about the crash but i was at least halfway right that they dissapeared. does walt get tooking out of the virtual reality and get put back in when we dont see him for long periods of time? Remember juliet had to be unconsious to get to the island? I bet while she was unconcious she was hooked up to the virtual reality equipment and when she woke up she was awake in a virtual reality program but stil really unconsious in real life. thats why she had to be unconsious to get transported to the island. each character was unconcious when the got hooked up to the machine. LOGTK you didnt respond to my last entery on lost secrets page. if you dont respond there no reason to post to you. id still come check ouy your site once in a while but not every day to post. Lost is my favorite show ever by far so chat wit me about it

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  2. i love that song - i especially love the manic street preachers version of it, tis simpleh brilliant

    [i don't watch lost ... only ever saw 1/2 the 1st episode]

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  3. What do you think made Ben kill John after John said he was going to see Eloise Hawking? That part was pretty amazing. They are all just little chess pieces.

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  4. Ny Nick-
    I did reply to your comment. Here it is.


    LOTGK said
    February 5, 2009 at 8:37 am e

    NY Nick-
    Correct, Danielle was pregnant with Alex, who Keamy executed while Ben watched. Juliet is in her 30’s. And yes, I do believe she is not telling us everything she knows. Perhaps that is her ace in the hole, a way of protecting herself. And I do believe she wants to reunite with her sister.

    Now, here is the subplot. We know Ben always lies. So, we know that he isn’t just doing all these deeds for the good of the group. He’s doing it for his own reasons. Perhaps he’s doing it for Alex, the daughter executed before his eyes. Perhaps when they all reunite on the island, Ben will press yet another secret lever and reset the island to a time before Alex was killed and he can now plan to prevent that from happening in the future. Perhaps that is why there are so many people from different time era’s on the island. This isn’t the first time the island was reset.


    It was from several updates ago titled Time Passages.
    Lost Update: Time Passages

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  5. NY Nick-
    Yes, Ben was watching them, making sure he could round them up when he needed them. About the only chance of getting back to the island is by being on the plane, I don't think so. Ben has been back to the past, or, perhaps into the future on many occasions. Just last night, he was tailing Locke and Ben looked a lot younger than he did on the island. I think Ben can come and go as he pleases. Remember, Ben always lies. About Widmore, I believe he was duped off the island, or perhaps cast out such as Lucifer was from heaven. Now all Widmore wants to do is get back and even. About how they arrived on the island, all of them unconscious. Well, there is no island. Never was. The plane crash was implanted in all the test subjects as a constant, so everyone could react with a common thought. Juliet was introduced later as was other castaways. Their story was different, but the same. they are trapped on the island.

    Ulla-
    Yes, cool tune. And you are missing out on a very entertaining program.

    Paul-
    Good question. Ben was scared at that point. Perhaps Eloise is an alien, the one in real control, and Ben is frightened of her. Perhaps Ben realizes that now if Locke returned as he was, Bens power would be diminished, so he kills Locke knowing that he will be reset and will have to start all over again.

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  6. Ben knew Locke had to die. He was testing John. He talked John out of killing himself just to see if he could. If John Locke was ready to be the leader he would of sacraficed his life for the others. Instead he bailed and failed to take the leap of faith so to speak. Locke was not going to leave that room alive. He should of strung himself up and jumped. That was what was supposed to happen.

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  7. My question and forgive me for i am slightly confused, but John Locke died in the future, 2007-2008 or beyond. Ben killed him. Now we see John back on the island, with a new set of people, and alive. When is John alive now?

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  8. Only Ben is alive. And he is living a nightmare over and over again.

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  9. If the island is lost because Ben or Lock moved it, then how did Jack kate and the rest get back on the island flying in a plane. And Ben seems to be in many different time frames. First him and Sayid are murdering people, then Sayid is building habitats for homes and Ben is stalking Locke, and Ben is with Widmore threatening to kill his daughter, and he is in the dessert and on the island all at the same time.

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  10. "Or when Locke goes to Helen Norwoods grave site. The tombstone said she died in the year 2006. If Locke’s plane crashed in September of 2004, and he was on the island for 108 days, then he was in the future when he visited the grave of Helen. Are you seeing my point here?"

    2 problems with this paragraph.

    1) The oceanic 6 was on the island for 108 days. Locke stayed around 4 days more in island time. He was there 112 days. Except that those extra 4 days were actually 3 years for the oceanic 6. They crashed in 04, were off the island in early 05, so that makes the present year in the real world 2008. Helen has been dead for 2 years when Locke visits her grave.

    2) Time perception on and off the island... The oceanic 6 believed they'd been on the island 108 days. Those in the real world also believed their plane to have crashed 108 days ago at the time of their rescue. During the 108 days that those 6 were on the island, both island time and real world time lined up. Now that they're gone, real world time is moving much, much slower. Or faster, depending on your particular warp.

    And regarding the grandfather paradox - can you give me an example? Off the top of my head I cannot recall a time that Ben (or anyone) has altered the future (or present, whatever that is) by manipulating the past. Certainly they've visited, but not changed things.

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  11. I wonder if Locke was not allowed to kill himself. Taking your own life is a mortal sin. If Lost is taking the religious spin that moment could have alot of meaning. Ben talked Locke out of killing himself, Only to kill him. Why not just let him do it himself. For someone reason Locke was not allwoed to off himself.

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  12. fox: i think ben talked ben out of killing himself so he could get eloise hawkings name and killed him once he got the info to complete the mission. i think your right that he wasnt supposed to kill himself tho and Lost is a going on a religious theme and Locke is Jesus and the other characters are apostles. That would explain the urealistic things that are happening. Its like a the bible, the parting of the red sea... impossible

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  13. Fox & NY Nick,

    It struck me last night when I watched that it was the information about Jin still being alive that set in motion Ben killing Locke. For some reason, the Jin piece was very important. He was already working on the wire when he learned Eloise's name.

    But depending on just how they're interpreting the religious parallel - if they are at all - Locke could just as well kill himself. He was prepared to die for his people. Jesus knew very well where his path was leading and did not try to alter it. He knew who would betray him, yet didn't stop it. Both were willing to sacrifice themselves.

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  14. i think i missed out on the early days of it and then assumed i'd never catch up anyway ...

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  15. All i'm saying is that this time travel story is gonna end real bad. Theres no where else to go with it. If Ben gets in trouble, he just goes back in time and fixes it. Jump the shark already.

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  16. DesmondsWorld2/27/2009 6:17 AM

    I'm thinking along the same line as you Fox I don't think Locke could kill himself just like Michael couldn't kill himself, first the car crash then the revolver in the mouth didn't work, the "island" wouldn't let him. But I don't understand why Keeme couldn't kill Michael on the freighter but Ben can kill Locke on the mainland. Maybe if you want to kill someone that was on the island you have to use the hands on approach or a knife, and not rely on a gun.

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  17. FOX-
    It looked like Locke was ready to hang himself before Ben entered the room. Also, Ben always lies. Perhaps Ben knows if Locke completes his so-called leap of faith, then when he returns to the island, he would be a more formidable foe to Ben.

    Lost fan-
    You are forgiven my child. But to answer your question. He was never dead. It is all a virtual reality experiment.

    Gumby-
    Yes, I know the Twilight Zone episode you are referring to. That will be posted in the coming weeks. Good call my friend, good call.

    Green Hood-
    The simple explanation, if there is one, is that due to several virtual reality anomalies, various scenario's are overlapping. Sort of like watching a split screen TV, watching two programs at once. All the castaways are being experimented on, mentally and physically, in a classic test of good versus evil.

    Serena Welsh-
    Only two problems? I must be getting better! But my problem with that is, how much time passed when Jin wound up back on the island 16 years earlier? If Locke's four extra days account for three years, then wouldn't you think Jin's time would also be the same. But he was sent back to the past. Or perhpas the present given one's perspective.

    About the Grandfather paradox. Ben is back on the mainland and hires Sayid to murder people that are dangerous to the island. Also, Desmond tells Penny that he will call her on Christmas Eve.

    FOX-
    Not allowed to kill himself? Why not. Murder is a mortal sin as well. And remember Locke conspired with Sawyer to kill his father. Locke's fate is sealed no matter what.

    N.Y. Nick-
    I don't believe Locke is Jesus. He conspired with Sawyer to kill his father. I don't remeber reading that passage in the bible.

    Serena Welsh-
    If Lost is going toward a religious ending, then it will come from below. Meaning in Hell. Locke killed a man. So did Kate. And Sayid. And Hurley and the rest of the castaways. If anything, Ben is Lucifer.

    Ulla-
    I know, I was hooked the first evening though, I am a huge fan of Twilight Zone and Lost had that feel from the get go.

    In-De-Nile-
    HEEEEEYYYYYYYY! (Thumbs up and wearing my leather jacket)

    Desmonds World-
    The castaways are being controlled. If the virtual reality experiment calls for violence and mayhem, there will be violence and mayhem. If love and affection is called, there will love and affection. Case in point. One of the experiments on the castaways is good versus evil, (Them against us) but after that scenario is played out, them, or the others, are now part of the whole and new scenario is started. Look at Kate, torn between two men, Jack and Kate. She loves both. The island, (Or aliens) will force her to pick one after giving her plenty of opportunity to be intimate with both. A classic behavior experiment.

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  18. Thanks everyone for reading and commenting. Several special Lost Updates are on their way in the next several weeks that will offer even more insight on my theory.

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  19. Murder and killing someone are two different things. If you were given two choices; one to kill a bad person to save the world, or two do nothing and let the world come to an end what would you choose? If you choose kill then would you consider it Murder? What is your definition of Murder? What Keamy did to Ben's daughter is Murder. Now when Locke kills Naomi, is that murder? What if the phone call she was going to make would of killed everyone on the island? Is Locke a murderer or is he a hero? I would say hero or maybe "The Savior"

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  20. Locke coerced Sawyer to kill his father. Anyway you look at it, he committed a mortal sin. It was murder "Dude!"

    About the phone call, at that point, it was merely an assumption Locke had. So, before Naomi did the crime, Locke tried and convicted her and then carried out her sentence and executed her. Before she did anything wrong. It would be like the police coming to your home and arresting you because they think you are going to rob a bank next week.

    You also have to take into account that Locke isn't privy to the information we viewers are tuned into.

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  21. But Locke knew what was to come. He knew before she made the phone call the outcome of the phone call. Locke is not a killer but the second coming of Jesus.

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  22. If the time travel aspect is true. He knew Naomi was going to destroy the island. Locke is God.

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  23. If Locke were God, then why did he have to ask Richard what he had to do to save the island, and why did he have to ask Ben how to move the island, and Locke was a bad man before he came to the island, and also was a bad man while on the island. He coerced Sawyer into killing his father. That does not sound like God to me.

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  24. I'm so happy a show like Lost is on tv....all the theories...gets people thinking and talking...such a great show

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  25. If it is a virtual reality would jacob be like a console, where outside forces give commands through jacob which are passed on to richard, ben and locke. Maybe the smoke monster is like an anti-virus getting rid of any potential threats ie ecko french team. Maybe ben, christian, claire and faradays mother are sort of like moderators. Who knows but youve definitly convinced me about the virtual reality theory. Nice work on calling it from the start.

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  26. LOTGK,
    Jin didn't wash up 16 years earlier...he was jumping through time with the rest of them while he was floating in the ocean for 4 days.

    Thanks for the refresher on the grandfather paradox...had forgotten those instances.

    So many answers seem to be coming to light...can't wait to see if they really are red herrings.

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  27. Found It Lost3/08/2009 10:01 AM

    If time travel is impossible, then Lost can't be about time travel.

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