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11/22/1995

President Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy

The Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theory Begins Here.
The Grassy Knoll Institute explores what role Lee Harvey Oswald had in President Kennedy’s assassination and if he was in fact the lone gunman. Plus a different view of presidential hopeful Richard Nixon and how he would greatly benefit.
The Kennedy assassination has received so much publicity and the story has been told so many different ways and times, it is hard to tell what really happened and who was really involved. Rest assured, the Grassy Knoll Institute has sorted it all out and will explain its theory. Let’s start from the beginning….
Richard Nixon in the late 1950′s was a very powerful man with aspirations of becoming the president of the United States. However, one man stood in his way. That man was John F. Kennedy.
Nixon saw Kennedy’s popularity with the voting public continue to rise and he knew it was only a matter of time until the Irish Catholic Congressman decided to run for President on the Democratic ticket. The rest is history. Kennedy and Nixon were virtually tied in the polls until the first ever televised Presidential debates.
The TV camera did not like Nixon and he appeared in a very bad light sweating profusely live on camera and not projecting himself as a leader of the free world. Kennedy, on the other hand, took to the camera like a seasoned Hollywood actor. Kennedy’s powerful answers and retorts along with his keen wit won the debates and swayed the public in his favor winning the election by a very slim margin becoming the 35th President of the United States.
Kennedy was becoming more and more popular every day. The media likened Kennedy and his family to Camelot. They were becoming as close to royalty as a President could become. Bobby, J.F.K.’s brother, was appointed Attorney General and he soon waged his war on crime that created a very positive public buzz. Bobby was making a name for himself and was not satisfied to be in John’s shadow. Even younger brother Teddy was being groomed to take a more powerful role in family politics. The Kennedy family was on the verge to wield their power and influence for many years to come.
That is what Nixon was up against. The public was in a love affair with the Kennedy family and J.F.K. would easily be re-elected to a second term serving until 1968. From there, Bobby Kennedy would have been groomed to follow in John’s footsteps and become President from 1969 through 1976. In the meantime, Teddy would have been kept under control and been made to toe the line and he would have become President in 1977 through 1984. That would be 24 years of Camelot with Nixon on the outside looking in with envy.
UNLESS…..Somehow Camelot would come to an end. J.F.K. would have to be out of the picture for Nixon to have any chance of becoming President. But how was the question. The answer and solution would soon come.
The Bay Of Pigs came bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war and Kennedy would be to blame. Instead, Kennedy took a hard stance against the Cubans and Russians and won the admiration of the world and became even more powerful and popular. But to Nixon, there was a silver lining.
Finally, there was a cover story. The Russians and Cubans were public enemies to Kennedy. Castro spent many hours ranting about the filthy American pig. The Russians, though never publicly aired their hatred towards Kennedy, were humiliated in front of the entire world. There was also the Mafia that Bobby Kennedy was gunning after. There would be plenty of suspects. Plenty of motives. Plenty of blame. The iron was hot. It was now or never.
One fateful day in November of 1963, JFK and Camelot were silenced. Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated J.F.K. while he was passing by in his motorcade. The actual shooting and events that led up to the assassination are still clouded to this day. Oswald was seen as the fall guy for some unknown group. It was proven that Oswald could not have acted alone. Not even the best military marksmen were able to fire three rounds with the speed and accuracy as Oswald did. Yet, he was the fall guy. It was said that he acted alone.
The Zapruder film that caught the assassination on film was confiscated by the FBI and only months later was it permitted to be viewed by the public. Why? Did the film actually show evidence of a possible second and third gunman from different angles to assure the target would be hit? Was the film altered and spliced back together removing the damaging evidence and then returned to Zapruder?
The scores of leads by private citizens, all eye witnesses to the assassination who claimed to see a man lurking on the Grassy Knoll with a perfect rifle angle to the motorcade were never followed or were dismissed. Governmental red tape took over and Jack Ruby silenced Oswald by killing him while he was being transferred and thus completed the conspiracy.
Several years later, in 1968, Bobby Kennedy tried to follow in John’s shoes but was gunned down ending any hopes of Camelot beginning again. In 1968, Richard Nixon won the Republican ticket and was voted President of the United States. He again won easily in 1973 by a landslide for his second term in office.
His dream had finally come true…………….


LURKING ON THE GRASSY KNOLL
Responses to President Kennedy Asassination Conspiracy Below: Add Your Thoughts.

  1. LOTGK said

    October 6, 2007 at 11:56 pm e
    Previous Comments…
    peda marca – Posted 7/20/2006
    What about the mafia connection as proffered by a book authored by william harringston?
    LOTGK – Posted 7/20/2006
    Absolutely, there are many theories that can be attached to the Kennedy assassination.
    Castro and Cuba.
    The Soviet Union.
    And yes the Mafia. Bobby kennedy was getting after the same people that helped his brother get elected. And as soon as JFK became elected, he turned his back on them. Perhaps they felt slighted.
    cert – Posted 9/7/2006
    heres a clue oswalds full name was lee(harvey illinois) oswald
    LOTGK – Posted 9/7/2006
    And the Walrus was Paul.
    LOTGK – Posted 9/7/2006
    Actually Cert, it was only Lee Harvey Oswald.
    Ironic though that he had an older brother Bobby and a half brother named John.
    Oswalds father’s full name was Robert Edward Lee Oswald, and the South shall rise again.
    CHAPAKEN1231 – Posted 1/22/2007
    I like the theory that the covert operations wing of the CIA provided THE MECHANICS(SHOOTERS) ON ORDERS FROM A LIKE MINDED GROUP(“SPECIAL GROUP”) COMPOSED OF MEMBERS FROM CIA, OIL, BANKING, AND THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. THE REASON FOR THE MURDER: CUBA, BERLIN, ROLL BACK OF OIL DEPLETION ALLOWANCE, NUCLEAR TEST BAN TREATY, CUBAN MISSLE CRISIS, DE-ESCALATION OF VIETNAM, WAR ON CRIME. POUR INTO THIS SMOLDERING CAULDRON OF ANTI-KENNEDY SENTIMENT: THE INTERCONNECTED MATRIX OF THE CIA-OIL-BANKING-MAFIA-ANTICUBANS. CONSIDER THIS POSSIBILITY: THIS GROUPS INTERESTS WERE BEING DIRECTLY ATTACKED BY THE INDEPENDENT POLICIES OF THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION. KENNEDY WAS NOT PLAYING “BUSINESS OR POLITICS AS USUAL” WITH THE CIA(SET UP OPPOSING FACTIONS WITHIN THE SAME COUNTRY, OVERTHROW LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENTS AND INSTALL CIA CONTROLLED PUPPET REGIMES, INSTALL CORRUPT LEADERS THE CIA CONTROLLED). SOME OF THESE VENTURES WERE DEEMED NECESSARY FOR NATIONAL SECURITY, MOST WERE AT THE HANDS OF “THE SPECIAL GROUP’S” INTEREST). AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE CUBA, WHERE THE MAFIA AND CERTAIN US BUSINESSES (UNITED FRUIT COMPANY) LOST MILLIONS UPON CASTRO’S RISE TO POWER. KENNEDY’S RELUCTANCE TO PUSH INTO VIETNAM OPPOSED THE CIA, MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, OIL AND BANKING INTERSTS(MAFIA WAS ALONG FOR THE HERION TRADE).KENNEDY’S TOLERANCE AND FEDERAL PROTECTION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, ESPECIALLY MARTIN LUTHER KING(VILIFIED BY LITTLE CEASAR-HOOVER)SIGNED KENNEDY’S DEATH WARRANT. WHEN KENNEDY WAS ELECTED IN 1960, ALLEN DULLES, WITH VICE PRESIDENT NIXON’S INFORMED APPROVAL, DEVISED A COVERT PLAN TO INVADE CUBA(FOR THE MOB). AFTER KENNEDY’S ELECTION, A TIGHTLY KNIT GEOUP WITHIN THE CIA ESTABLISHED “EXECUTIVE ACTION”, WHEREBY A CADRE OF ASSASSINS WAS TRAINED ON HELD ON RETAINER. THEY WERE EXPLICITLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING FOREIGN LEADERS OPPOSED TO THE U.S(CIA)AIMS, MEANING ANYONE DEEMED IN BED WITH COMMUNISNIST. ALSO AT THIS TIME, THE CIA, THROUGH ROBERT MAYHEW(FORMER FBI AND HOWARD HUGH’S BLACK OPS MAN) CONTRACTED WITH THE MOB(JOHNNY ROSELLI, SAM GIANCANNA, SANTOS TRAFFICANTE, CARLOS MARCELLOS) TO KILL CASTRO. SOME OF THESE GANGSTERS WERE GIVEN NATIONAL SECURITY CLEARANCE!!!!!CONNECT THE DOTS PEOPLE!!! HOW HARD WAS IT TO RECRUIT VIRULANT ANTI-CASTRO CUBANS TRAINED BY THE CIA, WHO FELT BETRAYED BY KENNEDY OVER THE BAY OF PIGS FIASCO AND THE “DEAL” NOT TO INVADE CUBA TO END THE CUBAN MISSLE CRISES? THE AFOREMENTIONED “SPECIAL GROUP” WAS A POWERFUL MIX OF WELL CONNECTED AND RANKING INDIVIDUALS IN SOCIETY. INDIVIDUALS WHOSE LOYALTY WAS NOT TO THE PRESIDENT, BUT TO THOSE NAMELESS INDIVIDUALS WHO DECIDEDLY, BY VIRTUE OF THEIR WEALTH AND CONNECTIONS, HAD BEEN MAKING DECISIONS FOR THIS COUNTRY. THEIR’S WAS, AND IS, AN AGENDA APART FROM WHAT THE MEDIA FEEDS THE CONSUMING PUBLIC. WE WERE FED BY THE MEDIA THE “LONE ASSASSIN THEORY” BEFORE THE “WARREN OMISSION” COMPLETED IT’S WHITEWASH AND COVER-UP. LITTLE CEASAR HOOVER BUCKLED UNDER(HAVING DISCOVERED THE REAL KILLERS THROUGH OSWALD, WHO WAS AN INFORMANT)PRESSURE FROM THE CIA. THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION CAME OUT THE CIA’S CLANDESTINE OPERATIONS AT THE BEHEST OF THE “SPECIAL GROUP”, WHOSE AIM WAS TO CAST THE WORLD IN IT’S MODEL: FASCISM. FASCISM VIEWS DEMOCRACY AND THE RIGHTS OF CITIZEN’S AS OBSTACLES. THEREFORE, THE PEOPLE MUST BE CONTROLLED AND GIVEN STRONG DELUSION…THIS IS THE ROLE OF THE MEDIA UNDER FASCISM. THEY HAVE ACHIEVED THIS. FASCISM ALSO RELIES ON A VAST NETWORK OF INTERLOCKING PEOPLE AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS. THE GLUE THAT BINDS THEM TOGETHER: DEDICATION AND LOYALTY TO THEIR CAUSE…WORLD DOMINATION. HOW DOES KENNEDY’S ASSASSINATION PLAY INTO THIS? SINCE BEFORE THE END OF WORLD WAR TWO, THE UNITED STATES ESTABLISHED A COVERT INTELLIGENCE APPARATUS, THE OSS(OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES). IT CONSOLIDATED THE VARIOUS FEDERAL AGENCIES UNDER THE CIA IN 1947. THE CIA’C CHARTER PROHIBITED DOMESTIC ACTIVITY. THIS WAS QUICKLY VIOLATED. WHO WOULD KNOW WHAT A SECRET ORGANIZATION WAS DOING, AND WHERE IT WAS DOING IT, IF THEY SIMPLY CHOSE NOT TO REVEAL IT? THIS CODE OF SECRECY PERMEATED THE “COMPANY”. INTERESTINGLY, IT WAS THE CORE GROUP OF OSS SPOOKS WHO TOOK OVER THE CIA(DULLES,CABELL,BISSEL,KING,HELMS)AND BROUGHT THEIR LOYAL MINIONS AND CLICKS WITH THEM. DULLES RECRUITED WHAT WAS LEFT OF NAZI GERMANY’S SPOOKS AND SCIENTISTS. HE BROUGHT MANY TO AMERICA AND PLACED THEM IN LEADING POSITIONS IN SCIENCE, BUSINESS, AND SPYING. NO DOUBT THE CIA LEARNED MANY NEW TECHNIQUES FROM THESE FORMER ENEMIES. FASCISM ALSO SEEKS TO CONTROL THE PUBLIC LEADERS. KENNEDY WAS NOT TO BO CONTROLLED, SO HE HAD TO BE ELIMINATED. THIS IS THE TRUTH THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT US TO KNOW IN 1963. NOW 43 YEARS LATER, WE HAVE “DUBYA” IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE CIA CONTINUES TO SUBMERGE US IN UNWINABLE WARS UNDER THE BANNER OF “FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY”. WHAT A CLEVER WEB THEY WEAVER WHEN FIRST THEY PRACTICED TO DECEIVE(US ALL).
    Smothered Brother – Posted 3/15/2007
    Sounds too true to be good…
    Valdunagan – Posted 4/26/2007
    I think Sanjaya had a hand in it.
    Ralph DeMattia – Posted 5/3/2007
    If Lee harvey Oswald was the lone assassin, Hillary Clinton is rational! One fact I have NEVER seen explained by the conspiracy debunkers is how, if the third shot came from the “rear”, why did the President’s head snap so violently beckward?!?!Being a two-tour veteran of VietNam, I shot plenty of zipperheads from the front and their heads ALWAYS went backward, NEVER forward!
    FACT TWO- According to reports, one from the D.I. in question, Lee harvey Oswald couldn’t hit the floor with his hat in basic
    training, and obviously, his “marksman” tagets were altered. (NS!) Someone or more likely, some group wanted Kennedy dead, and my first place pick is Big business, the same group that would have benefitted had the Civil War gone on longer than it did, and President Lincoln paid the price for ending it. Besides, pro-marksmen by the dozens have tried to get two killing shots under the same circumstances the Oswald “had” in the past 44 years, and NOT ONE has been able to get more than one, and especially not in 6 seconds! The Warren Commission is more full of s**t than 10 million cows!
    Andrew – Posted 5/17/2007
    Ralph, honestly, it’s people like you who keep this conspiracy “myth” alive. Let’s go through your so-called “facts”:
    1. You’ve never seen a single explanation for the head snapping back?
    http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/JFK.html
    Now you have.
    You being a veteran is irrelevant. Did you fire at people in a motorcade from the rear in an elavated position? I doubt it.
    2. Please check your facts. Oswald was rated in 1959 as a “sharpshooter” scoring 212 points on the Marine firing range. This was 2 points over the minimum to attain the level of Sharpshooter. 2 years later he scored 191 – rating of “marksman”. Compared to the average man on the street, he was a very skiller shooter.
    As for your garbage about no-one being able to replicate Oswals feat with the rifle….again, check your facts. A marine named Miller was able to fire off 3 rounds with the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle in 4.6 seconds, hitting the target twice. He did this on more than one occasion. Your 6 second time limit is also well outdated as Zapruder film analysis shows that Oswald had more than 8 seconds to fire his shots…check it out.
    richard – Posted 5/17/2007
    simple answer. have congress remove the 75 year block on the forensic and personal data from the assassination and release to public. why do you jerks think the govt wants to wait 75 years from 1963? because almost anyone 15 years old or older will be dead upon release.
    Andrew – Posted 5/21/2007
    And you think this will really make a difference? More that 4 million pages of documents were released between 1992 and 1998 with the help od the Assassination Records Review board (set-up partly due to the response to Oliver Stone’s tragic work or fiction). The only good that came out of that film was the document release!
    Anyway, there was an almost mythical expectation that these documents would provide the “smoking gun” for a conspiracy. And what happened? ZERO, nothing, nada….The media covereage dropped off as soon as it became apparent that there was simply nothing there…Nothing in FBI docs, CIA docs, Garrison’s rubbish, nothing. In fact, it went the other way…..it actually lent more support to the fact the Oswald killed JFK and Tippit and he did it alone.
    The 75 year block on the last remaining pieces of evidence (mainly the Warren Commission and HSCA stuff) is not a new thing….It just seems so relevant to this case and conspiracy pushers are depending on it as their last hope. Do you know why?
    Ask this question…
    What do conspiracy theorists have in their “Physical Evidence Of A Conspiracy/Multiple Shooters” basket? (Stuff like “guns”, “bullets”, “shell casings”, “clothing fibers”, and/or “eyewitnesses who positively identified a specific human being to the exclusion of all other humans as being the killer of both JFK and Officer Tippit”? How much of that kind of stuff is on the conspiracy table to date?)
    None. Not a scrap. And there never has been.
    LOTGK – Posted 5/22/2007
    Andrew, there is a little bit of evidence out there to support a second gun man.
    JFK Lone Gunman Theory Flawed
    Andrew – Posted 5/23/2007
    Have you really read this? We’ll start with the fact that this is NOT evidence of a second shooter. It only ALLOWS that possibility by weakening the previously accepted work of Vincent Guinn. So the bullets are more similar than previously thought. So what? Is anyone disputing the fact that the bullets that hit JFK came from a batch made by the Western Cartridge Company and that they were fired from a Mannlicher-Carcarno rifle and that they were 6.5mm?
    If analysis was performed on the fragments recovered and it was shown that one fragment WAS NOT a Western Cartridge Company 6.5mm then a second shooter would be virtually undeniable. But that hasn’t happened. All they’ve said here is that one batch of WCC bullets is not as dissimilar as another batch….therefore the fragments recovered could have come from two guns. I agree with that. But how does that prove that there was a second gunman? It doesn’t
    Not like what we have for Oswald:
    1.) Three bullet shell casings are discovered in the Book Depository’s “Sniper’s Nest” by police (shells that positively came from the rifle of Lee Harvey Oswald).
    2.) A bullet (“Commission Exhibit 399″) is found in Parkland Hospital; and CE399 is a bullet which happened to also come from the rifle of Lee H. Oswald.
    3.) Two large bullet fragments (also from Oswald’s rifle “to the exclusion”) are found inside the vehicle which was being occupied by John F. Kennedy when he was killed by rifle fire on the afternoon of 11/22/63.
    4.) Lee Harvey Oswald’s fingerprints are all over the “Sniper’s Nest” area, including his prints on a paper bag THAT HAD NO LEGITIMATE AND LOGICAL REASON FOR BEING THERE IN THE COURSE OF NORMAL DAY-TO-DAY BOOK DEPOSITORY OPERATIONS.
    5.) Eyewitnesses who place Lee Oswald in the Sniper’s Nest at the exact moment JFK was being assassinated via rifle fire. Howard Brennan watched Oswald pull the trigger.
    6.) Oswald’s actions after leaving his workplace on 11/22/63; e.g.:
    6a.) Oswald leaves work three minutes after the American President is gunned down right in front of his place of employment.
    6b.) Oswald rushes into his rooming house on North Beckley Avenue, grabs a jacket and a revolver, and leaves.
    6c.) Oswald shoots and kills police officer J.D. Tippit with a handgun at approximately 1:14 PM on Tenth Street. Please tell me no-one is going to dispute this one
    6d.) Oswald is seen acting and looking suspicious by shoe-store employee Johnny C. Brewer just minutes after the Tippit slaying.
    6e.) Oswald punches in the face and attempts to kill another of Dallas’ finest within the Texas Theatre.
    Combined, THAT is evidence. Both physical and witness-based. This sort of list is something that second gunman advocates just cannot produce. Granted you will find a number of “eye-witnesses” who will claim to have seen the second gunman (or actually BE the second gunman), mostly adding this to testimony a number of years later, but none of this is EVER supported by the old-fashioned “don’t argue”….Physical Evidence.
    If this was any normal murder case, it would be open and shut. It seems difficult for people to reconcile the fact that such an insignificant person like Oswald could bring down such an important and dominting figure such as Kennedy. But the fact is that he could and he did. And he did it alone.
    LOTGK – Posted 5/23/2007
    Yes, I did read it. And it leads credence that a possible second shooter was there.
    Andrew – Posted 5/23/2007
    How does it do that exactly? Maybe I’m reading that and the 40 other articles dealing with the same subject incorrectly…
    The bullets are more similar than first thought, right? That now means that there is no way to say that the recovered fragments all came from Oswald rifle. It’s saying that a second rifle could have been used with the same type of ammunition.
    But it is not saying that one or more of the fragments DIDN’T come from Oswald’s rifle either. It doesn’t exclude the fact that Oswald fired all the shots…true?
    The problem lies in looking at a piece of evidence in isolation. The media is jumping all over this because it suddenly opens up the possibility of a conspiracy. Yet when this finding is viewed against the overwhelming weight of evidence (of all types) against Oswald it’s not so glamorous.
    There is still no physical evidence of a second shooter.
    LOTGK – Posted 5/25/2007
    Again, here is another article from CNN about the new evidence about the bullets used.
    HOUSTON, Texas (AP) — New testing on the type of ammunition used in the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy raises questions about whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, according to a study by researchers at Texas A&M University.
    Lead researcher Cliff Spiegelman stressed, however, that the research doesn’t necessarily support conspiracy theorists who for decades have doubted Oswald was the lone gunman.
    “We’re not saying there was a conspiracy. All we’re saying is the evidence that was presented as a slam dunk for a single shooter is not a slam dunk,” said Spiegelman, a Texas A&M statistics professor and an expert in bullet-lead analysis.
    The Warren Commission concluded in 1964 that Oswald fired three shots at Kennedy’s motorcade from the Texas School Book Depository in Dallas. The U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations agreed in 1979 and found that the two bullets that hit Kennedy came from Oswald’s rifle.
    The committee’s findings were based in part on the testimony of the late forensic chemist Vincent Guinn, who said recovered fragments came from only two bullets. Guinn testified that the bullets Oswald used, Western-Winchester Cartridge Co. Mannlicher-Carcano bullets, were unique and that it would be possible to distinguish one from another even if they both came from the same box.
    But Spiegelman and his fellow researchers, who tested 30 of the same type of bullets, found that fragments were not nearly so rare and that bullets within the same box could match one another. One of the test bullets also matched one or more of the assassination fragments.
    “This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets,” the researchers wrote in a paper detailing their study, set to be published later this year by the journal “Annals of Applied Statistics.”
    The study is available on the journal’s Web site. (Read the study – PDFexternal link)
    “If the assassination fragments are derived from three or more separate bullets, then a second assassin is likely, as the additional bullet would not be attributable to the main suspect, Mr. Oswald,” they wrote.
    The bullets Spiegelman’s team used were from two of only four lots ever produced of the ammunition. The researchers were able to test for more elements than Guinn and used better quality control techniques, Spiegelman said.
    Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, which focuses on Kennedy’s life and assassination, questioned the study’s methods.
    “Their study can’t answer anything about the assassination,” he said. “That’s my understanding of it because they didn’t test the actual fragments. They tested similar fragments and found that the test itself is flawed.”
    Conspiracy supporters believe it helps prove that Oswald didn’t act alone.
    “Is this going to solve the case, create further investigation or change anybody’s mind? Probably not, but it supports the contentions of conspiracy researchers all through the years,” said Jim Marrs, whose book, “Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy” was one of two used as the basis for Oliver Stone’s conspiracy film “JFK.”
    Spiegelman advocates for the bullet fragments from the assassination to undergo more rigorous analysis. Further testing of the fragments would be up to the National Archives and Records Administration, the legal custodian of the projectiles and other evidence used by the Warren Commission.
    The last time the fragments were tested was in 1999. The examination was inconclusive.
    Andrew – Posted 5/26/2007
    I know…I read that one too. Here’s the line that really stands out for me:
    “Lead researcher Cliff Spiegelman stressed, however, that the research doesn’t necessarily support conspiracy theorists who for decades have doubted Oswald was the lone gunman”
    The findings of this study continues to allow that those fragments recovered from the car were fired from only Oswald’s rifle. It ALSO now allows the possibility that one or more fragments came from a different rifle. But is doesn’t PROVE it. In fact, it doesn’t prove anything apart from the fact the the original testing methods were inadequate.
    How can this add any value until they apply their new tests to the actual fragments?
    So as the Texas A&M researcher said himself…”We’re not saying there was a conspiracy. All we’re saying is the evidence that was presented as a slam dunk for a single shooter is not a slam dunk”
    Fair enough.
    But the there is a whole lot more evidence that leads to the positive conclusion of a single shooter. And there’s a whole lot of nothing that leads to a positive conclusion of a second shooter. Sorry, but there just isn’t.
    chapaken1231 – Posted 6/22/2007
    To: Andrew Andrew, there really is such a thing as a “govermental conspiracy”. There also is a thing called “crime of opportunity”. Kennedy had many enemies. The average voting man would cast a vote against him. The more embittered man would talk about what should be done to him. The well connected, though embittered, man could possibly thwart kennedy’s plans through political, editorial, or conspiratorial ends. The well connected, seriously motivated, men of wealth, public and private means, opportunity and resolve could definitely kill the President, and cover it up…even provide a patsy.
    Well before 1963, the US Government (CIA & Military) hopped into bed with the US Mafia via Lucky Luciano, to control the eastern seaboard harbors, specifically in New York. From this relationship were born plots to assassinate Fidel Castro, by using Mafia hitmen, assigned the contract by leading Mafia dons(Marcellos of New Orleans, Trafficante of Florida, Giancana of Chicago, Roselli of California). The CIA officers responsible for this set up (Harvey, Edwards, King, Helms) were also involved in planning the BAY of PIGS fiasco.
    Then Vice President Nixon, very powerful in underworld activities, set the agenda in US policy regarding Cuba when he denounced Castro as a communist, 90 miles from America. Remember Nixon and the Alger Hiss cass? Nixon was also very instrumental in the McCarthy debacle. Little Ceasar(J.E. Hoover)fed destructive info to McCarthy, or suppressed damaging(to McCarthy)info about him,as well. HOOVER WAS THE DICTATORIAL FEDERAL POLICE CHIEF, IN VIOLATION OF IT’S ORIGINAL CONGRESSIONAL MANDATE, TO BE A DOMESTIC NATIONAL CLEARINGHOUSE FOR CRIMINAL ANALYSIS AND FACT GATHERING, AND TO ASSIST OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES WITH PROSECUTION. HOOVER USURPED ATHORITY, USUALLY THROUGH BLACKMAIL,FROM SEVERAL FEDERAL BUREAUS AND CONCENTRATED THIS POWER IN HIM AND HIS FBI. SUCH WAS HIS POWER AND INFLUENCE AT THE TIME OF KENNEDY’S DEATH, THAT IF HOOVER DECLARED IT, IT WAS SACROSANCT.
    GIVEN THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE LIKE NIXON, HOOVER, HELMS, HARVY, JOHNSON, DULLES, THE MAFIA DONS, CERTAIN RABALD RIGHT WING RACIST GENERALS, CORRUPT SECRET SERVICE AGENTS(LOYAL TO LITTLE CEASAR? MOB? MILITARY?) GREEDY, SELF-SERVING, CORRUPT AND WEALTHY TEXAS OILMEN, POLITICIANS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE, AS WELL AS THE MEMBERS OF THE 8F GROUP(OPERATING AND INFLUENCING ALL ASPECTS OF TEXAS LIFE), ADD IN THE ANTI-CASTRO CUBANS, WHO WERE CONNECTED(DIRECTLY, OR THROUGH FINANCING) TO ALL THESE GROUPS, AND YOU HAVE A VERY POWERFUL CONSPIRACY WITH VERY PROMINENT BENEFICIARIES:
    JOHNSON, BECAME PRESIDENT AND COMMANDER IN CHIEF (INSTEAD OF BEING CANNED BY KENNEDY). At the time of the Kennedy assassination, Johnson’s connections were under heavy scrutiny from Bobby Kennedy’s Justice Department. Certain of his henchmen (Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes) were under indictment for major criminal activity. Both Baker and Estes were directly tied to Johnson, as was a certain Mac Wallace, who was convicted of murdering a Texas Agricultural Dept. official, who discovered Estes was scamming the government out of millions through non-existent cotton inventories. Johnson was a totally corrupt Texas politician. He was part of the 8F Group consisting of Brown and Root comglomorate(Now Haliburton) and the Ed Clark law firm network, as well as the Texas Democratic machine, and wealthy Texas oilmen, politicians, and business men that dominated Texas politics for more than 40 years. The man that owned the School Book Depository in 1963(Mr. Byrd) was a member of the 8F Group. It was Ed Clark and Texas Gov.John Connelly who sponsored Richard Nixon into the 8F group. Nixon was poised to reap the largesses of the subterrainian powerful(8F Group, Mafia, Corporate Business Lobbyist, Big Oil, Military-Industrial complex), as well as the most powerful position in America. Remember, in 1959-60, it was Nixon that planned the Bay of Pigs with the CIA and Mafia hitmen, with the expectation that He, Nixon was to be the next President. Nixon was also Kennedy’s republican opponent in 1960.
    HOOVER, REMAINED FBI DIRECTOR (INSTEAD OF BEING CANNED BY KENNEDY). It has been revealed that many abuses ocurred under his long, corrupt watch. It is now known Hoover was in bed with the Mafia, as well as literally in bed with Clyde Tolson,Hoovers long time Assistant FBI Director. Hoover denied the existence of the National Mafia, was lifelong friend to “Lying Lyndon” Johnson, and was a frequent guest of some wealthy Texas oilmen and Mafia dons at racetracks and gambling hotels. Hoover also used FBI agents for his own personal enrichment, while denying African american agents promotions. Hoover was a virulent anti communist and rabald racist. Hoover was also neutralized as an effective force in law enforcement, where the Mafia and other “connected groups” were concerned, especially in Texas(8F Group). HOOVER’S BLACKMAIL FILES WERE SHREDDED UPON HIS DEATH. CERTAIN FBI DIRECTORS WERE KILLED BEFORE THEY COULD TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTES CONCERNING FBI ACTIVITIES IN THE 60′S AND EARLY 70′S. HOOVER’S FBI ALSO HAD A DOMESTIC ASSASSINATION SQUAD CAPABILTY.
    NIXON, WAS ABLE TO RESURRECT HIS POLITICAL CAREER AND BECOME 37th PRESIDENT (INSTEAD OF BEING ELECTED 35TH PRESIDENT OF THE US). He is still the only President to resign from that office, due to confirmed corruption and criminal complicity of certain staff and cabinet members, as well as himself. Vice-President Gerald Ford(Warren Commission) gaver Nixon a full pardon upon taking the oath of the President. The stench of Watergate remains in the nostrils of the US body politic. Nixon figures prominently in the
    bio’s of several mob figures…BEBE REBOZO,JOHNNY ROSELLI, JIMMY HOFFA. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAFIA CHARACTERS THAT NIXON, JOHNSON, HOOVER, SOME CIA OFICERS, THE TEXAS OILMEN, RIGHT WING RACIST GROUPS AND ANTI-CASTRO CUBANS WERE CAVORTING WITH, YOU REALIZE THAT THERE WAS CORRUPTION AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, POLITICIANS, UNIONS, AND BUSINESS IN THE UNITED STATES, DUE TO MAFIA INFLUENCE. The MAFIA, as a result of Vietnam dumped tons of heroin onthe streets of America, particularly in the lower class neighborhood.
    CIA, WAS ABLE TO REMAIN INTACT AND NOT BE “BROKEN INTO A THOUSAND PIECES AND SCATTERED TO THE WIND” BY KENNEDY. Kennedy sached several high ranking Cia officials for the Bay of Pigs fiasco(Dulles(Warren Commission), Barnes, Cabell(Brother of 1963 Dallas mayor Earl Cabell)The CIA turned on the citizens of this country through spying, counter-intelligence and counte-insurgency programs. They continued to OVERTHROW DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS AND ASSASSINATE FOREIGN LEADERS. George Herbert Walker Bush(of Texas) was standing in the shadows, ready and willing to step into the limelight and history, first as an Ambassador to Iran, Then head of the CIA, then Vice President, then President. Seems George was tied to the Bay of Pigs( Opreartion Zapata) by three boats: the Zapata(His Company, the Barbara(His wife), and the Houston(His residence). Bush was very much involved with the anti-castro cubans in 1963 and into his Presidency.
    MILITARY, INSTEAD of de-escalation in Vietnam, johnson promised them a HOT WAR IN VIETNAM upon his 1964 election. Under Nixon, they BOMBED THE HELL OUT OF LAOS,CAMBODIA AND THAILAND. The military also waged war on the citizens of this country through counter-intelligence operations and counter-insurgency programs.iT IS NOW ALSO KNOWN THAT THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF WERE OPPOSED TO KENNEDY’S MILITARY POLICIES IN CUBA, EUROPE AND ASIA. They also opposed kennedy’s move to reinstitute the CIA under HIS and the Chiefs control as an adjunct, cutting thier policy making and executive-acting previledges. Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy realised the growing influence of the CIA in policy making decisions. Kennedy sought to have as much information, from as many sources as possible, so as not to be pigeon-holed again, as he was by the CIA and the Chiefs, with the Bay of Pigs fiasco, and Vietnam. Kennedy told Cronkite in a CBS interview, “ultimately, it is their(Vietnamese) war. They will have to decide to fight it…to win or lose it” Kennedy made plans for complete withdrawal by 1965. Kennedy was also exploring detente with the Soviet Union and with Cuba, by promising not to attack Cuba and closing CIA backed rebel training bases, and forbidding any attacks against Cuba from the US. He removed the ICBM’s from Turkey that were pointed at the Soviet Union. Then there was the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty with Russia to stop testing Nuclear weapons in the atomosphere. He replaced several high ranking military generals for their bizarre plans (Lemnitzer-Operation Northwood, Walker-John Birch Society).The military went on to give us Iran-Contra, Desert Storm I & II,
    MAFIA, WAS GIVEN A RESPITE FROM PROSECUTION UNDER BOTH JOHNSON AND NIXON. THE USUAL SUSPECTS IN THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION BEGAN TO EMERGE IN 1965 from BOOKS CRITICAL OF THE WARREN REPORT INTO THE DEATH OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY, AND LATER WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATIONS INTO CIA ACTIVITIES. THE CIA CONNECTED MAFIA DONS WERE HUNG OUT TO BLOW IN THE WIND. ROSELLI WAS FOUND HACKED TO PIECES FLOATING IN AN OIL DRUM OFF THE FLORIDA KEYS. GIANCANA WAS SHOT TO DEATH, MAFIA STYLE, IN HIS HOME. MARCELLOS AND TRAFFICANTE DIED OF NATURAL CAUSES(THEY WERE NOT MURDERED).
    THE CIA OFFICERS AND AGENT(S)PROVOCATUERS AND CONTRACT AGENTS CONNECTED TO THE BAY OF PIGS/CASTRO MURDER PLOTS/KENNEDY’S ASSASSINATION/WATERGATE BREAK-IN, WERE TIED INTO THE POLITICAL ARENA,IN A CLANDESTINE FASHION, BY THE POLITICIANS, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS, THE MILITARY AND ULTIMATELY, THE NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS. THAT MANY OPERATIONS CONNECTED TO THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRASTION/ ASSASSIANATION NEEDS TO BE KEPT SUPPRESSED FOR 70+ YEARS, INDICATES THERE ARE PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT NEED “PROTECTING” UNTIL EVERYONE ALIVE AND AT LEAST 9 AT THE TIME(1963) IS DEAD,OR SUFFERS FROM ALZHEIMERS.
    JACK RUBY IS THE ROSETTA STONE OF THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION. MANY PEOPLE THINK IT IS THE BALISTIC EVIDENCE, THE ZAPRUDER FILM, THE EYE WITNESSES, THE TIPPIT KILLING, OR THE VARIOUS REPORTS ON THE ASSASSINATION. IT IS JACK RUBY, THE MAN THAT FOREVER SILENCED OSWALD, THAT NEEDS THE MOST SCRUTINY. IF YOU KILL THE (ALLEGED)KILLER OF THE PRESIDENT, WHO SENT YOU AND WHOSE BIDDING WERE YOU DOING, AND WHY?
    WHAT WE NOW KNOW OF RUBY IS THIS:
    HE WAS CONNECTED TO THE MAFIA
    HE CAME TO DALLAS FROM CHICAGO UNDER SUSPECIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES(A TRASH HAULER’S UNION OFFICIAL WAS KILLED)
    HE WAS A GUN RUNNER AND MOB BAGMAN
    HE WAS A (SILENT)PARTNER IN GAMBLING WITH OTHERS CONNECTED TO MARCELLOS, AND TEAMSTER UNION THUGS.
    HE KNEW SANTOS TRAFICANTE
    HE WAS A PROCURER OF FAVORS FOR DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS
    HE WAS PHOTOGRAPHED IN DEALEY PLAZA
    HE WAS A KNOWN FBI INFORMANT
    HE KNEW MANY DALLAS POLICE AND OTHER DALLAS PERSONALITIES
    HE LIVED IN OAK CLIFF
    HIS BROTHER’S LIVED IN CHICAGO
    HE HAD BEEN TO CUBA ON MANY DIFFERENT OCCASSIONS
    HE WAS SEEN AT PARKLAND HOSPITAL BY SETH KANTOR AND A NURSE BEFORE KENNEDY WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD
    HE WAS TOLD TO TOW THE LINE “I DID IT(SHOT OSWALD) FOR MRS. KENNEDY” AFTER HE WAS VISITED IN JAIL BY A KNOWN MAFIOSO
    HE TOOK TWO LIE DETECTOR TESTS
    HE ASKED EARL WARREN TO GET HIM TO WASHINGTON SO HE COULD TELL THE TRUTH(RUBY WAS WATCHED BY DALLAS POLICE AROUND THE CLOCK..HE FEARED FOR HIS SAFETY…WHY?)
    HIS CAROUSAL CLUB WAS A MEETING PLACE FOR DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS AFTER WORK. HE GAVE THEM FREE DRINKS, AND WOMEN.
    HE KNEW OFFICER J(EFFERSON) D(AVIS) TIPPIT.
    HE KNEW OSWALD WAS CONNECTED TO THE “FAIR PLAY FOR CUBA COMMITEE”(LEFT WING), AND NOT THE “FREE CUBA COMMITEE”(RIGHT WING)
    HE APPEARED AT TWO PRESS CONFERENCES AT THE DALLAS POLICE STATION
    HE CARRIED A LOADED GUN WITH HIM BOTH TIMES
    HE ANNOUNCED TO THE OFFICERS WRESTLING THE GUN AWAY FROM HIM, “I’M JACK RUBY, YOU ALL KNOW ME!” HE DIDN’T SOUND LIKE HE FEARED BEING SHOT, RATHER HE SEEMED TO THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN APPLAUDED.
    HE WAS NOT DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER UNTIL AFTER HE WAS CONVICTED OF OSWALDS MURDER AND FILED AN APPEAL
    RUBY’S LAWYERS HAD DEFENDED MOBSTERS
    RUBY’S PHONE CALLS RAPIDLY ESCALATED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE KENNEDY CAME TO DALLAS AND PRECIPITOUSLY DROPPED AFTER THE KILLING.
    RUBY WAS IN TOUCH WITH MANY MOBSTERS, TEAMSTER UNION THUGS, MOB/TEAMSTER HIT MEN, HIS CLUB, AND CERTAIN OF HIS STRIPPERS WHO DATED DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS(SOME WERE KILLED, OTHERS IMMEDIATELY LEFT DALLAS)
    RUBY WAS ORDERED TO KILL OSWALD
    RUBY STATED AT A PRESS CONFERENCE THAT PEOPLE HIGH UP IN GOVERNMENT(JOHNSON) WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR KENNEDY’S MURDER AND SAID THEY WERE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR PLACING HIM IN THE POSITION THAT HE WAS IN(LEFT HOLDING THE BAG( A LIFE SENTENCE) FOR KILLING OSWALD). WHEN YOU READ RUBY’S RESPONSES TO WARREN COMMISSIONER’S YOU REALIZE THRY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN GETTING AT THE TRUTH. TWO INVESTIGATORS FOR THE WAREN COMMISSION MADE IT CLEAR TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY NEEDED TO RESOLVE RUBY’S MOB CONNECTIONS. THE COMMISSIONERS DECIDED TO SUPPRESS THESE OBVIOUS CONNECTIONS, DOUBTLESS ON GROUNDS OF “NATIONAL SECURITY” CONSIDERATIONS.
    MEANINGLESS DEBATES, OR DEBATES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE SET IN THEIR POSITION IS FRUITLESS,OFTEN DEGENERATING INTO NAME CALLING AND OTHER JUVENILE INSULTS. RISE ABOVE THE STATUS QUO. ALL AMERICANS ARE ENTITLED TO BE TOLD THE TRUTH BY THEIR GOVERNMENT. SADLY, MOST DON’T WANT TO KNOW.
    JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS MURDERED BY CONSPIRATORIAL NEGLECT AND OPPORTUNISTIC VILLIANS WITH MUCH TO GAIN.(SEE VINCE PALAMARA’S EXCELLENT PRESENTATION ON THE SECURITY FOR KENNEDY BEFORE DALLAS).
    THESE POWERFUL PEOPLE, AND THOSE CONNECTED TO THEIR NETWORK, MUST KEEP THE TRUTH SUPPRESSED. TO REVEAL THE TRUTH WOULD CAUSE A MAJOR INTERNATIONAL CRISES AND EXPOSE THE TRUE RULERS OF THE UNITED STATES. THERE WAS A COUP D’ETAT IN AMERICA ON 11/22/1963. WE STILL ARE LIVING UNDER THOSE WHO TOOK POWER.
    CHAPAKEN – Posted 6/22/2007
    The Warren omission was conhured up and created for the sole purpose of HEADING OFF AN INDEPENDENT TEXAS, OR CONGRESSIOANL INVESTIGATION OF THE CRIME. IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT MEMEBERS OF SKULL AND BONES LOBBIED JOHNSON, WHO THEN CONSULTED WITH KEY MEMBERS OF HIS NETWORK, FOR ADVICE ON WHO SHOULD COMPOSE THE COMMISSION. ULTIMATELY, JOHNSON HAD HOOVER SCREEN(TO SEE HOW MUCH DIRT THEY HAD ON THEM) EACH MEMBER THEY(HE AND HOOVER) WERE NOT SURE WOULD TOW THE “OFFICIAL LINE”. THAT THE COMMISSSIONERS CAME FROM “MAINSTREAM” AMERICAN VIEWPOINTS INDICATES THAT JOHNSON STACKED THE COMMISSION TOWARDS HIS CONCLUSION(GIVEN TO HIM BY HOOVER ON THE DAY KENNEDY WAS KILLED). WHEN YOU LOOK AT JOHNSON AND HOOVERS ACTIONS DURING THE 72 HOURS AFTER KENNEDY’S DEATH, YOU CAN INSTANTLY SEE WHO THE PERPETRATORS WERE TWHO COVERED UP THE CRIME. LOOK AT WHO THESE TWO PEOPLE (JOHNSON AND HOOVER) WERE CLOSELY CONNECTED TO (MURCHESON AND HUNT AND MOBSTERS) AND YOU KNOW WHO HATCHED,PROVIDED PERSONNEL, FINANCED AND EXECUTED THE PLOT. THERE MAY BE EVIDENCE THAT A PRINT(THE LEFT PINKY) BELONGING TO JOHNSON HIT MAN MAC WALLACE WAS FOUND AT THE DEPOSITORY’S “SNIPER’S NEST”. I NEED TO POINT OUT THAT SNIPERS HAVE PERCHES, NOT NEST. BIRDS OF A FEATHER HAVE NESTS. JOHNSON AND HOOVER WERE (CUKOO)BIRDS OF A FEATHER WHO EQUALLY HAD THE MOST TO GAIN POLITICALLY, WHEN THE BULLETS HIT THERE MARK IN DALLAS ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963.
    jj cordero – Posted 6/23/2007
    you know this was an inside job…did you even watch the tape? jfk’s agents didnt even react to the shooting when it happened except for one…and there is no way that one bullet can do all that damage and be in perfect condition…is it possible for one bullet to hit connelly in so many different places? and when someone is shot from the back, the head wouldnt go BACKWARDS…but it didnt, meaning that jfk was shot from the front…and there were also many witnesses that saw a shooter from the grassy knoll…and is it just a coincidence that most of the eye witnesses died a horrible death? i dont think so…you should read the testimonies from the witnesses and maybe you’ll realize that it was a conspiracy…
    Andrew – Posted 6/26/2007
    CHAPAKEN, I honestly hope you read this entire post. Firstly, please tell me you didn’t just completely plagiarise your post and pass it off as your own? It all sounds hauntingly familiar to the many conspiracy-oriented books that I have read
    What is also familiar it the vain in which you state your claims. By that I mean your absolutely incredible volumes of claims supported by no proof whatsoever. This is just the single most irritating aspect of almost everyone who writes conspiracy-oriented literature.
    Now, you sound like a smart person – at least one who knows how to copy and paste anyway. I really don’t have the energy to respond to every single one of the points you raised, but some definitely require attention
    1. Your opening spiel on “Crime of Opportunity” is compelling reading, but is NOT PROOF OF A CONSPICARY TO KILL JFK. You have provided motive for certain groups (CIA, Mafia etc). That’s all. No-one has ever denied that JFK had enemies. I hope you’re not suggesting that the legal system be changed to allow the conviction of those on trial based on motive alone, are you?
    2. Your point on the ability to cover up something so large is astounding. You seem to forget that this required not one but two conspiracies to be effective. One to plan and carry out the assassination and a second to effect the cover up. So we are talking about groups and agencies such as Dallas Police, Secret Service, CIA, Mafia, FBI, Parkland doctors, newspapers and of course The White House all involved in a high level cover up of the true facts. Naturally you make these claims without providing a single shred of evidence. It’s as if the fact you make the claim simply makes it true. Seriously, if I ever get in trouble with the law, would you act in my defence?….”No Judge, Andrew didn’t do it” Bang! Fact! Acquitted.
    3. The CIA plots to use the Mafia against Castro are once again wonderful reading. All the documents that have surfaced that show this provide fascinating reading into the inner workings of a clandestine agency like the CIA. But as far as the JFK assassination goes, what does it actually prove? (And please really take note of the word “prove” here – it’s so critical to the understanding of these points). It proves nothing. Are there documents that conclusively state “CIA to kill President Kennedy”? There are not. And because Kennedy stopped this and the CIA had something against him? So what! Not proof they were involved in any way in the assassination. Surely you can see that.
    The second part of your post dealing with Jack Ruby is absolutely incredible. You have provided a list of claims supported by no evidence (a common theme!). This is the danger you people present to serious, younger researchers who would like to learn as much about this simple murder case as possible. They read these statements you make and are swayed by their intensity and sometimes get caught up in the moment with them. Not many people (and this is just my opinion here) would go ahead and take the time to dissect every one of those claims about Ruby and find out that either there is no credible evidence to support them or that they are not relevant in any way (eg, He lived in Oak Cliff….wow!).
    But a couple of these claims need to be challenged. For example, HE WAS CONNECTED TO THE MAFIA – are you able to provide positive proof of this? And when I ask this, I mean real proof, not just another statement that magically becomes fact when YOU put it in print.
    HE KNEW SANTOS TRAFICANTE – proof?
    HE WAS SEEN AT PARKLAND HOSPITAL BY SETH KANTOR AND A NURSE BEFORE KENNEDY WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD. Probably true. And? Did he plant the magic bullet? Let me ask you this…if he (or someone) planted the magic bullet on the stretcher at Parkland, how did they know that the bullet had fallen out of Governor Connelly’s thigh prior to surgery? If the doctors performed the surgery and HAD located a bullet in the governor, the presence of ANOTHER bullet would surely raise questions and possibly blow open your conspiracy.
    HE KNEW MANY DALLAS POLICE AND OTHER DALLAS PERSONALITIES – so what?
    HE KNEW OFFICER J(EFFERSON) D(AVIS) TIPPIT – check your facts here…he knew Officer GL Tippit….not JD Tippit (who by the way was never christened Jefferson Davis….he was christened simply JD….look it up!). Even if Ruby did know JD Tippit….again, so what? How does it prove involvement in the assassination? Whether there was a conspiracy or not, there is no reason to assume that Ruby must have been involved. In fact, logic tells us that no conspiracy could profit by silencing Oswald in a public fashion: What’s the point of eliminating one suspect while simultaneously handing the police another?
    RUBY’S PHONE CALLS RAPIDLY ESCALATED IMMEDIATELY BEFORE KENNEDY CAME TO DALLAS AND PRECIPITOUSLY DROPPED AFTER THE KILLING – oh please! Tell me, as the seriously knowledgeable person you claim to be, tell me you have researched the reason why Ruby’s phone calls increased in the months before the assassination. Have a real look at this. His licence troubles that he was having with his nightclubs precipitated this volume of calls. As far as could be determined, these numbers were traced by investigators after the assassination and found to have been made to and received from non-underworld sources. And do I really need to spell out why his volume of calls dropped off after the killing as you state? The man was in prison 2 days after the killing!!
    To you JJ CORDERO ….have you honestly read anything about this case at all? Firstly, not many of the crowd reacted to the shots either (a great deal believing it was either a car backfire or a fire cracker) so you’ll excuse the agents for not reacting with super-human speed….but what are you saying? That the lack of reaction is PROOF? It’s not.
    One bullet CAN and DID do so much damage. Can I recommend you read a book called JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation Of The Kennedy
    Assassination by Larry Sturdivan. This might help with your limited understanding of what ballistics evidence really is. Same goes for you next comment about the head movement. Your analysis of the Zapruder film is outstanding. I love your comment ”meaning that jfk was shot from the front”. Again, because you say it, it must be right – despite overwhelming physical evidence to the contrary. Read that book.
    Your next comment is the probably the most absurd and at the same time, the most disturbing. This question is to both CHAPAKEN and JJ CORDERO….have you both actually read the 26 volumes of the Warren Commission or, at the very least, the 888 page Warren Commission Report? Please, please say you have and you just got your facts wrong. That would be so much easier to take than the alternative – that you make claims based on what other, unreliable sources have claimed. Read the Warren Commission Report and will find that no-one….and I stress with the utmost emphasis here, NO-ONE testified to the Commission to seeing a gunman on the grassy knoll. Not one single person said under oath that they saw a gun in the hands of an assassin on the knoll. Later, when conspiracy books began to surface thanks to the likes of writers like Mark Lane, witnesses who testified before the Commission began altering their statements to these authors thereby propagating this absurd “second gunman” theory. (Malcolm Summers changed his statement before the Commission from seeing a man with a hat in his hands to a man with a gun in is hands when interviewed by Lane). Convenient.
    JJ CORDERO, you told me I should “should read the testimonies from the witnesses and maybe [I'll] realize that it was a conspiracy”. Maybe you should and you’ll realise there was not.
    Back in one of my older posts, I provided a list of physical evidence that positively ties Oswald to the murder of Kennedy. To this date, I have not seen a similar list provided by anyone in the conspiracy community that positively ties anyone else to the killing.
    I challenge you….provide me a list of just one item….one single item… that is irrefutable physical evidence of a conspiracy to assassinate John F Kennedy. I provided 11. I’m asking you for just one.
    Brian – Posted 6/29/2007
    Go to Dealy Plaza and see the size and scope of the site. Stand in the window next to where the shots came from. You will understand that Oswald more than lilely had the best kill shot, but not as it happened. He had a head on dead, one shot kill, before the turn under the book depository.
    Stand behind the fence, or by the rail bridge, and see the fatal shot. Watch the the film, back and to the left. Remember the Limo windshield had beed hit, along with the frame. Also, Connley was buried with bullet fragments that were nver removed.
    Lastly. you do not have to solve this murder, only realize that what we know is not the entire story. If oswald isn’t the only shooter, then there is a conspiracy.
    Andrew – Posted 7/1/2007
    Brian, none of that is proof. I asked for “physical evidence”. So what if Oswald didn’t take the shot from head on…to me it was smart for him not to…all the agents would have looked up straight ahead and seen the shooter immediately. (Also, is it too much to ask you to spell Dealey Plaza correctly – it helps when trying to take you seriously).
    I have watched the Z-film…many times. “Back and to the left” are just words – they are not ballistics analysis and hard physical evidence. Did you read that book I mentioned last time. Anyone? Did anyone look at the website I mentioned? (http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/JFK.html). Take the time to do it…seriously! The movement of Kennedy’s head DOES NOT indicate a shot from the front just because of the direction it moves. Did you know that his head moves forward 2.3 inches BEFORE it moves back. Like you told me….watch the film! I just cannot comprehend that seemingly educated people can bring themsleves to believe that a secret team of doctors altered the wounds on JKF’s head and that all the autopsy and x-rays we see are fake.
    Did you know that there are no less than 28 people who have been identified as the “second gunman on the knoll?”….28. You see how it makes belief in conspiracy a little hard to swallow, especially since none of these assassins can produce any evidence.
    I’m afraid that saying “back and to the left” just doesn’t magically prove a second gunman (no matter how many times you get Kevin Costner to do it).
    The windshield. You’re right, the windshield WAS struck by a bullet fragment. ON THE INSIDE. The fatal shot that struck Kennedy from behind in the head broke apart. A piece hit the windshield and cracked it. Nothing evil or conspiratorial there! Enough photos going around showing in absolute detail that the crack is on the inside….but let me guess, the photos are fakes, right? Claim that if you like, but BACK IT UP.
    Yes, Connolly, was buried with bullet fragments still in his thigh. Doctors thought them pointless to remove. They did however remove some fragments from his wrist. And quite amazingly, the lead matches the lead from CE399 (the “magic” bullet). So does the weight. So what’s your point here?
    You guys have a tough job proving conspiracy. So many different groups to look at (mafia, CIA, cuba, maybe a combination). Like the 28 shooters on the grassy knoll, they can’t all have done it.
    You say “If oswald isn’t the only shooter, then there is a conspiracy”. Fine. But Oswald was the only shooter. The evidence says that. There isn’t any evidence for another shooter. And the whole point of what I wrote last time was to get someone to provide me some. But all you’ve done is the same old tired trick…lots of claims backed up by nothing. I can do the same if you like….ready…”Oswald had a head on shot”….my respose….maybe he sneezed and couldn’t take the shot. Can’t prove it of course, but may as well say it anyway and get it out there as fact, hey?
    The Warren Commission Report: Hated and discredited by so many. But how many have actually read it? There are tens of thousands of interviews that were conducted. All the physical evidence was gathered…and it all pointed to the same conclusion that we have today – one shooter, alone. No evidence of anything else. Speculating and selling books on cover-up and conspiracy is pointless until evidence can be provided.
    Your last point is more right than you know. WE don’t have to solve this murder. The Dallas Police Department did that for us 44 years ago – and they did it in a few hours.
    Mike – Posted 7/5/2007
    How do you explain the picture of Oswald in the doorway of the book depository just before the shooting? Newsweek.
    and explain why his body guards were being called away just before the shooting. That is clear as day in the Z film.
    Andrew – Posted 7/5/2007
    You’re not serious, Mike? I explain it like this: Oswald was not in the doorway just before the shooting. Billy Lovelady was.
    He testified under oath to being in front of the building. He testified as to what he was wearing. The picture confirms this. He was shown the picture. And he identified himself. Are you saying he was wrong and he doesn’t know what he looks like?
    I’m not sure what you mean by the second part of your post….”and explain why his body guards were being called away just before the shooting”. Could you explain this please?
    B.A.B. – Posted 7/9/2007
    I believe that most of the newspapers and magazines of the day were packed with lies, presenting Kennedy as anything but what he was. There certainly was a conspiracy and it saved this country from a developing dictator. “Camelot” -gimme a break. Camelot was about a king. Last time I looked this was still supposed to be a democracy.
    Andrew – Posted 7/10/2007
    B.A.B, going by your argument, there doesn’t need to be a conspiracy. The CIA, the Mafia, the Cubans or Oswald alone could have done it and you would be satisfied. You obviously are no fan of Kennedy or anything he stood for….and that’s fine. Your opinion is your opinion. But don’t sit there and waste valuable internet space by claiming as your “proof” of conspiracy that Kennedy was dictator and that “newspapers and magazines of the day were packed with lies”. Back it up with evidence or just keep quiet.
    JFKer – Posted 7/22/2007
    Hey it is simple I believe Oswald was in on it part of it a patsy just like he said he was he was shot with a blank and him and Elvis and Morrison ALL are now in the WPP somewhere out there. El BJ did it. Why simple cuz no younger man EVER told an older man hot better to do something.
    Andrew – Posted 7/24/2007
    At least your predecessors made sense
    droberdeau – Posted 9/25/2007
    Dealey Plaza Professionally surveyed Map Detailing 11-22-63 Precise victims locations, Witnesses & Photographers, Suspected bullet trajectories, Evidence, and Vital information for Your Consideration…..
    Discovery: The Rosemary Willis Zapruder filmed 2nd Headsnap; West, Ultrafast, & Directly Towards the Grassy Knoll…..
    JFK Announcement
    “4 Principles” JFK speech, and a small portion of my JFK assassination personal research & interviews…..
    Droberdeau
    Dave – Posted 9/26/2007
    Fook! you people really need to get out more, talk about being obsessed! besides, everybody knows it was elvis that shot him
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  2. Ha-Ha-Dude said

    November 13, 2007 at 11:38 am e
    The Russians killed Kennedy. they were upset about the space race and wanted to reach the moon before the Americans did. Killing Kennedy would avoid that.
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  3. Gumby said

    November 13, 2007 at 11:56 am e
    Dude! The Russians already knew that man could not travel out side of the radiation bubble surrounding the earth. Doing so would expose the astronauts to deadly radiation poisoning. Landing on the moon is merely a well scripted movie, and good book written by Jules Verne.
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  4. Rebecca said

    November 26, 2007 at 8:16 pm e
    i am so sorry for what had happened to kennedy
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  5. BELLA said

    December 2, 2007 at 6:59 am e
    dear andrew.. i wouldn’t be suprised if you were a government informant trying to police and discredit facts typed by Chapaken…so what if Chapaken retrieved knowledge from other sources. What you’re doing is not working…you dont have me fooled by you’re false notions created by the government for you to post on this site. Tell theboss…or should i say your boss( some gov’t agency or official to do a better job) It is so obvious that you’re a rookie trying a first hand of attempting the poision the minds of people wanting to explore evidence of JFK’s murder by the U.S. goverment. You’re one of many who also helped with the murder of JFK,jr. With your bullshit about how to believe what the govt. feeds us….not i won’t I’M JUST ONE OF MILLIONS IN THE U.S. WHO HAVE AND ARE CURRENTLY TAKING PEOPLE LIKE YOU OUT OF THE CIRCUS AND KANGAROO COURT OF CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE BEING TAKING OUT DAILY..YOU JUST DONT KNOW..WELL AT LEAST NOT YET…. IM NOT DISCUSSING PROTEST OR CAMPAIGNS TO UNDERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT..BUT INDIVIDUALS FOR THE CAUSE TO OVERTHROW BAD GOV’T HAVE ESCULATED AND ARE ESCULATING IN HIGH POSITIONS VERY SOON..WELL SOONER THAN YOU THINK TO DENOUNCE THIS GOVERNMENT… BELIEVE IT OR NOT ITS HAPPENING AS I TYPE THIS RESPONSE…& THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS IN HIGH GOVERNMENT WHO ARE SECRETLY SPONSOR US…BECAUSE THEY ALSO WANT OUT!!!!! AND WANT A CHANGE!!!! OF COURSE PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO SPEAK THEIR MINDS AND STATE OPINIONS ABOUT HOW THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT IS RIGHTEOUS AND SUFFICIENT IN THEIR DUTIES …BUT THIS GOVERNMENT WILL BE ELIMINATED NOT COMPROMISED BUT ELIMINATED..STAY TUNED ANDREW LOL
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  6. Andrew said

    December 3, 2007 at 1:01 am e
    Thank you Bella for that interesting, if not somewhat paranoid-sounding reply.
    A few points in your post that interest me…
    1. You wrote that I was “trying to police and discredit facts typed by Chapaken”. The thing with that is that I disagree. Chapaken didn’t provide facts. He provided conjecture. And the sad thing is…he/she didn’t do it very well. Copying slabs out of some text or Internet site shows no original thought whatsoever and is a pathetic attempt to convince others about your views. I don’t even know what his/her views are! All I can see is that they liked that text and decided to plagiarise. But to make matters worse, YOU support it. You may not agree with what I wrote, but you could at least acknowledge a lack of plagiarism when you see it. But with comments like “it’s so obvious that you are a rookie…” I guess not
    2. It’s utterly appalling the way you (and so many of your fellow conspiracy theorists) consistently make the same error. You assume.
    You have assumed so much about me without one shred of evidence to support it – a common theme it seems :) How do you know I’m a rookie?How do you know I’m even American? Because you read a couple of posts of some internet site? Wow – glad your out there fighting the fight for us all who seem to need to be saved from the big, bad evil government
    3. Lastly, and most importantly, what do you actually have to say? Are we even still talking about evidence in the JFK murder. Because that’s why I’m here. To examine the hard, credible facts and draw logical conclusions. You seem to be interested in overthrowing (or underthrowing?) a government. Please correct me if I’m wrong – I certainly don’t want to be guilty of making unfounded assumptions.
    So you know, I’m not trying to fool you, or anyone. I’ve watched the paranoia surrounding this case unfold for so long. I’ve seen so many conspiracy theories that simply don’t make sense – yet they sell books. Tell me, who is the criminal there? Maybe the author who profits from printing unsustainable claims that they know the conspiracy hungry public will swallow? All I say is that if the evidence is examined with an open mind, it is absolutely irrefutable that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK on Nov 22, 1963. And that he did this alone. As always at the end of my posts….I say that I’m happy to discuss this. I’m happy for people to disagree. All I ask is that claims that are made are backed up with the citing of credible evidence. Is that really too much to ask? Cut out the paranoid rubbish in the second half of your post and argue this case the way it should be. Evidence.
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  7. Alvie said

    January 23, 2008 at 6:27 pm e
    What Andrew has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt is that even people with a wealth of information can be as ignorant and misinformed as the masses of “sheeple.” Andrew’s replies are re pleat with clues to his conspiracy=paranoia brain washing, then again, weirdo Bella might have a point; Andrew could be “in on it” or wants to be. Poor bastard.
    You see, it doesn’t matter what the witnesses and experts say about the multi level conspiracies of our presidential assassinations or the tragedies of The Alamo, the SS Maine, Pearl Harbor, the SS Liberty and the Trade Center bombings; the dishonorable scum behind scenes can always count on the Andrews of the world to assist in the cover up. God forbid that Andrew investigate who the beneficiaries of these conspiratorial tragedies are; of course, he has to get his nuts out of hock first.
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  8. Anti-Christ said

    January 24, 2008 at 8:33 am e
    Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name.
    Always wanted to say that.
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  9. David said

    February 3, 2008 at 9:51 am e
    I’m beginning to believe that the real truth of the assassination has more to do with the politics of the United States itself and the endless power “war” between the democrats and republicans. I get the feeling that Nixon was intended to be president by big business, lobbyist, oil industry and those interested in the “war industry” – in 1960. Kennedy and his brothers were for the people and sought to make peace with hostile forces- the Kennedy popularity was new and overwhelming-surprising even the Republicans. If you consider that after JFK’s time as president (likely from 1960-1968-had he lived) that Robert Kennedy could have locked in atleast another 4 years of democrat and Kennedy rule. That would have amounted to atleast 12 years or perhaps even another 4 years leading into 1976. The Nixon republicans and its interests (money) wouldn’t be able to cash in on a war in Vietnam with the Kennedy’s in power. With them in power Vietnam would have likely been a short war. If my theory is correct, you have to wonder how complicite Lyndon Johnson was with assisting the republicans with Nixon into power for 1968. Johnson only served 1 term and withdrew from the 1968 presidential bid in March 31 of that year. In that same week April 4th Martin Luther King was killed. Nixon wasn’t interested in dealing with MLK and that movement. Now with Lyndon out of the race, Bobby Kennedy enters for the presidential nomination. The very popular Bobby Kennedy is then killed on June 6, 1968 effectively eliminating the competition and starpower for Richard Nixon and his supporters. Johnson also signed the civil right’s document in July of 68 to basically put an end to the need to continue the fight. The issues of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were over and would not impede on Nixon’s chances. With Nixon there was money to be made for a longer war etc. I believe that the democrats to this day understand and know the secrets about the “war” between themselves and the republicans and the reasons which led to the Kennedy killings. Suddenly in 1972 we get “Watergate” and the events leading to Nixon’s impeachment. Could this have been the democrats own way of “assassinating” Richard Nixon? Not with a gun but with damaging his reputation linking him to criminal behavior and calling for his dethroning as president. Were they getting even with the republicans? Do the republicans understand that maybe it’s all “tit for tat”? Today you can notice the same issue goes on with the democrats love of the Clintons and the staunch republican hatred of “Bill’s” popularity. Was Monica Lewinsky a republican plant intended to destroy Clinton’s favorable popularity? Again it’s the ‘eternal’ ‘war’ for power between the Republicans and Democrats and the interests (big business, oil. war industry) they represent. There is money from all their backers to be made depending who’s in charge. Notice that Gerald Ford (Nixon’s replacement after impeachment) headed up the Warren Commission and dismissed alot of plausible and relative arguments and evidence supporting sound theories on the death of JFK. Ford directed the investigation which concluded that Oswald acted alone. Questionnable given the video evidence. People are considered “conspiracy theorists” because common sense in the video proves that the shots couldn’t have come from one direction. Why did Ford dismiss the impeachment of Nixon and criminal charges? Could it be the old adage “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours”.?? Anyway further evidence today can be seen in the interests of VicePresident Dick Cheney and his Halliburton associations making tons of money off the Iraq war. Weapons of Mass Destruction….that just weren’t there??? For me the Kennedy thing has all to do with the sometimes “deadly” actions that America’s 2 political parties engage in and those whos interests they represent behind the scenes. Basically both of them lead us all around by the nose. Now we see the democratic party split between Hillary and Obama supporters. First female president or first black president. Who stands to benefit with this division? I would think the Republicans do and perhaps this is their intention. With the way things are going it will likely end up being a McCain or Romney presidency. Another conspiracy parachuting Obama in to confuse and divide democrats? Got to wonder.
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  10. David said

    February 3, 2008 at 10:01 am e
    Another thing to note is that Jackie Kennedy marries Onnasis in October of 1968 just as Nixon is about to be named the new president. Mrs. Kennedy was quoted as saying “they’re killing Kennedys” in response to her leaving the US, moving to Greece and marrying Aristotle Onnasis. She likely had her suspicions about the forces behind the scenes that had an interest in the death of her 1st husband and his brother. Ted Kennedy’s reputation was basically “assasinated” with the Chappaquiddick incident and the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. It came back to haunt him with his run for the 1980 presidential race. His reputation made sure that he couldn’t win….didn’t have to “off” him. John Kennedy Jr. if alive today perhaps would have made a run for the presidency and likely given the enchantement of “Camelot” would be quite popular and win atleast a new generation of Kennedys in the WhiteHouse. 8 more years. The Kennedy’s sure are cursed….is it destiny or purposeful manipulation by those opposing their democratic reign?
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  11. David said

    February 3, 2008 at 10:11 am e
    Interestingly Jackie Kennedy leaves “Nixon” America in 68 only returns to live in the US not just after Onassis’ death but also after Nixon leaves office in shame. Her words in 68 as she leaves USA is “they’re killing Kennedys”. Who is she referring to “they”?
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  12. David said

    February 3, 2008 at 10:22 am e
    Another thing to explore is the role “Lisa Howard” and ABC news reporter (the Barbara Walters of her day) played in secret talks between the Cuban Castro government and the Kennedy WhiteHouse. You can get more details on her ‘secret’ role by searching the internet. She died by apparent suicide on America’s birthday “July 1st 1965″. Type Lisa Howard (reporter) and do a search. But here I’ve posted a bit of info.
    In 1963 she went to Cuba to make a documentary. In an interview with Fidel Castro, he told her that he was willing to negotiate with Washington. When Howard went back to America, she talked to the CIA, who told President John F. Kennedy that Castro was willing to negotiate. President Kennedy agreed that it would be helpful to start talks with Cuba, and allowed Lisa Howard to act as a go-between to set up negotiations between Washington and Havana.
    As a goodwill gesture, Kennedy sent a coded message to Castro in a speech delivered on 19th November. The speech included the following passage: “Cuba had become a weapon in an effort dictated by external powers to subvert the other American republics. This and this alone divides us. As long as this is true, nothing is possible. Without it, everything is possible.” He also sent another journalist to Cuba to tell Castro that he would lift the embargo if Cuba would stop supporting left-wing movements in other countries.
    Three days later, President Kennedy was assassinated. The new president, Lyndon B. Johnson, refused to continue negotiations with Cuba. But Lisa Howard refused to give up. The next year, she met with Che Guevara, and because the president refused to meet with him, she arranged a meeting between Guevara and U.S. senator Eugene McCarthy.
    Because of her continued efforts to set up negotiations between America and Cuba, she was fired from ABC. She died on July 4, 1965. The official story was that she had committed suicide by overdosing on phenobarbitols because she was mourning a miscarriage.
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  13. David said

    February 3, 2008 at 10:26 am e
    The Bush WhiteHouse today is made up of alot of the players in the former Nixon administration:
    One future President (George H. W. Bush); two future Vice Presidents (Dick Cheney and Bush again); six future secretaries of state (Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, George P. Shultz, James Baker, Lawrence Eagleburger and Colin Powell); five future secretaries of defense (James Schlesinger, Donald Rumsfeld, Casper Weinberger, Frank Carlucci and Cheney again); a future chairman of the joint chiefs of staff (Powell again), two future secretaries of the treasury (William Simon and Baker again); a future secretary of energy (Schlesinger again); and three future chiefs of staff (Rumsfeld, Cheney and Baker again). Indeed a member of the Nixon Administration has held a cabinet post or been a senior advisor within the subsequent six presidential administrations. That so many key figures of the Ford, Reagan, Bush (41) and Bush (43) Administrations first entered government service in the Nixon White House is arguably the most profound and long-lasting legacy of Richard Nixon.
    Could this have happened with the Kennedy dynasty competing? Not likely.
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  14. BILLY said

    March 7, 2008 at 2:07 pm e
    this website is the most bullshoot piece of crap i have ever seen. you guys dont know one fn thing about any of the kennedy facts. REMOVE YOUR WEBSITE ASAP. ITS PIECES OF SHoot WEBSITES LIKE THIS THAT MAKE IT EVEN HARDER FOR THE REAL TRUTH TO BE SEEN. grassy knoll can kiss my ass.
    *Edited out the dirty parts*
    Curator
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  15. LOTGK said

    March 10, 2008 at 10:45 am e
    Thanks Billy Bob.
    I keep this site up and current exactly for trolls like yourself.
    Psst. Ask me about the Bobby Kennedy conspiracy if you want to know the real facts.
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  16. Melanie said

    October 16, 2008 at 8:56 pm e
    God told me that the man that killed JFK was a policeman. The killer and shooters name is J D Tippit. His co-conspirator is named Gayle Marshall Tippit. Both worked in the Dallas Police Department in 1963. They were paid. Paid Killers. J D Tippit did not know Jack Ruby but Gayle Marshall knew Ruby well.
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  17. LEE LARSON said

    October 17, 2008 at 1:52 am e
    THE TRUE STORY ABOUT THAT DAY IN DALLAS? YOU’LL NEVER KNOW. THE GOV’T WILL NEVER LET ANY SIGNIFICANT MATERIAL COME TO LIGHT, DESPITE THE MUCH-VAUNTED FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. ALL YOU CAN DO IN THE MEANTIME IS TO RE-HASH THE SAME MATERIAL WE’VE ALL SEEN HOW MANY TIMES AND KEEP COMING UP WITH MORE VARIATIONS ON THE SAME CONSPIRACY THEORIES. IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHICH HUNK OF BS YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. ####THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE BEHIND THE ASSASSINATION ARE STILL OUT THERE, AND ANYONE WHO GETS ANY CLOSER TO THE TRUTH WILL CEASE TO EXIST. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET YOURSELF KILLED, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TO ANNOUNCE VERY LOUDLY THAT YOU’VE ASSEMBLED AN IRON-CLAD CASE AND WILL HOLD A PRESS CONFERENCE AT 400 PM, AT WHICH YOU WILL NAME NAMES AND GIVE OUT WITH PRECISE DETAILS. EVEN IF YOU WERE BLUFFING, IT WILL BE ANNOUNCED ON THE 600 PM NEWS THAT YOU WERE FOUND DEAD ‘OF NATURAL CAUSES’. YOUR HARD-COPY PROOF, OF COURSE, WILL HAVE DISAPPEARED AND ALL KNOWLEDGE OF IT WILL BE DISAVOWED BY THE AUTHORITIES. AND THAT, KIDDIES, IS WHY THOSE WHO KNOW OR AT LEAST THINK THEY KNOW DON’T COME FORWARD WITH THEIR OWN STORIES. FEEL LUCKY? TRY THE SAME ANNOUNCEMENT WITH REGARD TO THE LINCOLN ASSASSINATION AND SEE WHERE IT GETS YOU. IF YOU SHOOT YOUR MOUTH OFF TOO OFTEN, SOMEONE ELSE JUST MIGHT SHOOT IT OFF FOR YOU.
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  18. LOTGK said

    October 17, 2008 at 9:20 am e
    Melanie, God told you!
    And people think I’m crazy.
    Lee, I would love to hear a press conference at 400 O’Clock. :)
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  19. PLEDGE420 said

    January 19, 2009 at 11:19 am e
    KENNEDY WAS MURDERED BY CASTRO. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
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  20. Engineer said

    January 18, 2010 at 3:17 pm e
    The lack of a credible explanation of the three shots by the Warren Commission placed its accuracy in doubt from the very beginning. Numerous accounts from credible witnesses indicate a first shot; followed by a pause then two more rapid shots.
    Holland and Rush contend that the first shot occurred either just before Zapruder started to film the second time (he paused for a second as the motorcade turned onto Elm Street) or just after he restarted. If this is true, then Oswald had 11 seconds to fire three rounds rather than the 5 to 7 as typically proposed. The 5 to 7 is biased because the FBI contends nothing ‘significant’ occurs in frames 133 to 157 which then leads to discussion of how a non expert (i.e., Oswald) could exceed the mechanical limitations of the rifle and professional capabilities in firing the rifle.
    Kenneth R. Scearce’s recent analysis shows that JFK, Governor Connally, the First Lady and Mrs. Connally all made simultaneous looks to the left from frames 140 to 157 and Secret Service Agent Hickey looks down and to the left during this time. Those simulaneous reactions had to come from a stimulus like a rifle shot.
    I believe Oswald intended to shoot from the prone position further down Elm (evidenced by the box arrangement in the book depository. When the limousine turned onto Elm street and came nearly to a stop and the President was so close he changed his mind; stood up to take a shot forgetting in the exceitement both about the stop light arm and that at that close range the gun would should higher than the sighted in 100 yards. The bullet nicked the traffic light, defelcting down and to the left missing the limousine and then struck the pavement. The tree forward of the light then prevented Oswald from shooting again and he waited until the motorcade passed the tree and then fired the second shot and then the third shortly thereafter.
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  21. Jim Porter said

    January 24, 2010 at 4:14 am e
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  22. Ayden Ballentine said

    December 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm e
    Tch, tch, tch…all the analysis and science and whathaveyou, while the explanation is sooooooo simple. Check out my site for the real truth as told to me by a very drunk alien from the star cluster Betelgeuse, one evening when I got lost and couldn’t find the entrance to the car that hides the entrance to my underground living quarters.
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    February 20, 2011 at 11:28 am e
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    February 21, 2011 at 8:24 am e
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    February 22, 2011 at 6:18 am e
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      February 22, 2011 at 8:21 am e
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  27. Mark said

    February 27, 2011 at 8:35 am e
    It seems that recent reviews of the Z film puts the first shot around Z157-160, based on the fact that the little girl in the red dress stops running suddenly. Having recently been in the Sixth Floor Museum, that would put the shot through the tree branches and no where near the overhead signs. The thing that puzzles me is how in God’s name do entirely miss a 10 foot wide by 25+ foot long limo COMPLETELY using a scoped rifle at less than 40 yards. A 4X scope makes the perceived distance more like 30 feet away.
    Had a bullet struck the overhead sign, its mark surely would have been found, photographed, and put on every front page in the world.
    Where did the first shot go CONCLUSIVELY????????
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    • LOTGK said

      February 28, 2011 at 2:46 am e
      Not concerned about the first shot, Oswald nailed Kennedy with that one. The third and fourth shot, from the grassy knoll are the intriguing shots.
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